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Schizophrenia, Bipolar, and Ketogenic Therapy: What We Learned From Results of New Trial

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Bret Scher, MD

Bret Scher, MD

Medical Director, Metabolic Mind and Baszucki Group

Bret is the host of the Metabolic Mind YouTube channel and podcast. He is a board-certified cardiologist, lipidologist, and leading expert in therapeutic uses of metabolic therapies, including ketogenic diets. Prior to joining Baszucki Group, Bret was the medical director at DietDoctor.com, an online platform promoting improving metabolic health through low-carb nutrition, where he was a content creator and medical reviewer. Earlier in his career, he worked as a cardiologist in San Diego. Bret has spent most of his 20-year career as a preventive cardiologist, helping people improve their metabolic health and preventing heart disease using low-carb nutrition and lifestyle interventions. His deep passion for educating the public about the benefits of metabolic therapies grew from his experience with the prevailing medical teaching, which frequently misrepresents nutrition science and undervalues metabolic health. Bret received an MD from The Ohio State University College of Medicine and a BS in Biology from Stanford University. He grew up in San Diego and began competing in triathlons at an early age, which helped fuel his love of health and fitness. He continues to enjoy spending time outdoors mountain biking, swimming, hiking, and playing baseball with his two boys.
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Bret Scher, MD

Medical Director, Metabolic Mind and Baszucki Group

Bret is the host of the Metabolic Mind YouTube channel and podcast. He is a board-certified cardiologist, lipidologist, and leading expert in therapeutic uses of metabolic therapies, including ketogenic diets. Prior to joining Baszucki Group, Bret was the medical director at DietDoctor.com, an online platform promoting improving metabolic health through low-carb nutrition, where he was a content creator and medical reviewer. Earlier in his career, he worked as a cardiologist in San Diego. Bret has spent most of his 20-year career as a preventive cardiologist, helping people improve their metabolic health and preventing heart disease using low-carb nutrition and lifestyle interventions. His deep passion for educating the public about the benefits of metabolic therapies grew from his experience with the prevailing medical teaching, which frequently misrepresents nutrition science and undervalues metabolic health. Bret received an MD from The Ohio State University College of Medicine and a BS in Biology from Stanford University. He grew up in San Diego and began competing in triathlons at an early age, which helped fuel his love of health and fitness. He continues to enjoy spending time outdoors mountain biking, swimming, hiking, and playing baseball with his two boys.
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Key Highlights

  • The seed oil debate mostly becomes irrelevant once someone eats a whole-foods, low-carb diet, since most problematic seed oil exposure comes from ultra-processed foods rather than a bottle of oil used at home, and Bret suggests avocado oil, butter, tallow, or lard as reasonable alternatives.
  • Anhedonia, the loss of pleasure or joy, is a common negative symptom across psychiatric conditions and can also be caused by antidepressants themselves, and emerging published research on ketogenic therapy in depression, schizophrenia, and bipolar disorder shows meaningful improvement in anhedonia, alongside its potential role in helping people taper off antidepressants under medical supervision.
  • On the plant-based versus keto argument, Bret points out that nutrition epidemiology is inherently weak science riddled with healthy-user bias and small effect sizes, so there is no single best diet for everyone, plant-based and ketogenic approaches are not mutually exclusive, and the better question is what works best for the individual rather than for the population.
  • The dawn phenomenon, a morning rise in blood sugar, carries very different clinical meaning depending on context: in someone with type 2 diabetes on a high-carb diet it signals real insulin resistance and concern, while in a metabolically healthy person on a ketogenic diet it is usually benign since their overall daily blood sugar stays low.
  • On ketoacidosis, Bret recounts an endocrinologist at an ADA conference claiming any ketone level above 3.5 mmol/L signals ketoacidosis, then explains that ketoacidosis is actually a clinical diagnosis requiring illness and blood acidosis rather than a number alone, though he’d still personally look closer at levels reaching 7, 8, or 9, and notes that a “therapeutic” ketone target depends entirely on someone’s goals, from no monitoring at all for general metabolic health to higher targets for brain-focused interventions.

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